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	<title>Comments on: On the bailout of the US auto makers</title>
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		<title>By: Fiasco</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/28/on-the-bailout-of-the-us-auto-makers/comment-page-2/#comment-4754</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>L. Raymond.  I don&#039;t think perceived class mobility is the answer.  Australia has at least as strong a belief in class mobility and they have a long and proud history of Labour movements.  Indeed, their current government (The Labor Party) until very recently had 50% of its members elected by delegats of the ACTU (Australian Council of Trade Unions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L. Raymond.  I don&#8217;t think perceived class mobility is the answer.  Australia has at least as strong a belief in class mobility and they have a long and proud history of Labour movements.  Indeed, their current government (The Labor Party) until very recently had 50% of its members elected by delegats of the ACTU (Australian Council of Trade Unions).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/28/on-the-bailout-of-the-us-auto-makers/comment-page-2/#comment-4613</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wage of auto workers is only a tangential problem. The real issue with UAW is work rules.

A labor movement should exist to protect that natural rights of the workers: that they should be paid a fair wage in a safe and clean work environment, and that reasonable expectations of vacation/family leave and medical/pension should be met.

The UAW has gone well beyond that into dictating to the auto industry who may do what job and the circumstances under which they may be done. And, thanks to the Wagner Act, protesting and renegotiating every disciplinary action against every employee, whether the employee in question deserved the punishment or not. The result is people doing 3-to-5 hours of work while getting paid for 8 hours, and turning out an inferior product in the process.

Why such insanity? Unions want to maximize membership, which maximizes dues. So we maximize employment, so we maximize the amount of work to be done, so we minimize the amount that actually gets done. 

Wages are nothing compared to a work-rules contract that rivals the U.S. Tax Code in length. Such a monument to bureaucratic sclerocity would have made Standard Oil broke.

I know we&#039;re supposed to be damning the fat cats with their top hats and cigars made of $2 bills, but even in the worker&#039;s paradise the workers are expected to actually work, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wage of auto workers is only a tangential problem. The real issue with UAW is work rules.</p>
<p>A labor movement should exist to protect that natural rights of the workers: that they should be paid a fair wage in a safe and clean work environment, and that reasonable expectations of vacation/family leave and medical/pension should be met.</p>
<p>The UAW has gone well beyond that into dictating to the auto industry who may do what job and the circumstances under which they may be done. And, thanks to the Wagner Act, protesting and renegotiating every disciplinary action against every employee, whether the employee in question deserved the punishment or not. The result is people doing 3-to-5 hours of work while getting paid for 8 hours, and turning out an inferior product in the process.</p>
<p>Why such insanity? Unions want to maximize membership, which maximizes dues. So we maximize employment, so we maximize the amount of work to be done, so we minimize the amount that actually gets done. </p>
<p>Wages are nothing compared to a work-rules contract that rivals the U.S. Tax Code in length. Such a monument to bureaucratic sclerocity would have made Standard Oil broke.</p>
<p>I know we&#8217;re supposed to be damning the fat cats with their top hats and cigars made of $2 bills, but even in the worker&#8217;s paradise the workers are expected to actually work, right?</p>
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		<title>By: skzb</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/28/on-the-bailout-of-the-us-auto-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-4464</link>
		<dc:creator>skzb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No thanks; I&#039;m just waiting for Teresa to get to it (she has a new job, plus as I understand it a new job within Tor, so it may be a bit).   Whatever else happens, Teresa is going to need to go over it, so there&#039;s no point in sweating before that happens.  Soon, I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No thanks; I&#8217;m just waiting for Teresa to get to it (she has a new job, plus as I understand it a new job within Tor, so it may be a bit).   Whatever else happens, Teresa is going to need to go over it, so there&#8217;s no point in sweating before that happens.  Soon, I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Bawrence</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/28/on-the-bailout-of-the-us-auto-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-4462</link>
		<dc:creator>Bawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Need any help? I was the go-to tutor for English Comp. in college and I am the Geek to English translator at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need any help? I was the go-to tutor for English Comp. in college and I am the Geek to English translator at work.</p>
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		<title>By: skzb</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/28/on-the-bailout-of-the-us-auto-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-4460</link>
		<dc:creator>skzb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bawrence @ 47: Before the ARC, it needs another revision.  Before the revision, it needs to be edited.  That&#039;s where we stand at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bawrence @ 47: Before the ARC, it needs another revision.  Before the revision, it needs to be edited.  That&#8217;s where we stand at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Bawrence</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/28/on-the-bailout-of-the-us-auto-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-4456</link>
		<dc:creator>Bawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any chance of getting my hands on an Iorich ARC anytime soon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any chance of getting my hands on an Iorich ARC anytime soon?</p>
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		<title>By: skzb</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/28/on-the-bailout-of-the-us-auto-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-4453</link>
		<dc:creator>skzb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bawrence: Doctors being allowed to make medical decision would be nice, wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bawrence: Doctors being allowed to make medical decision would be nice, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bawrence</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/28/on-the-bailout-of-the-us-auto-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-4451</link>
		<dc:creator>Bawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@44

Alarmist nonsense.  It&#039;s the insurance companies that will adjust or go belly-up.  Doctors will be allowed to make medical decisions, it&#039;ll be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@44</p>
<p>Alarmist nonsense.  It&#8217;s the insurance companies that will adjust or go belly-up.  Doctors will be allowed to make medical decisions, it&#8217;ll be great.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And when everyone is given free healthcare and the hospitals go belly-up, will people claim it&#039;s because the nurses make too much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when everyone is given free healthcare and the hospitals go belly-up, will people claim it&#8217;s because the nurses make too much?</p>
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		<title>By: skzb</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/28/on-the-bailout-of-the-us-auto-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-4449</link>
		<dc:creator>skzb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hee.  That&#039;s pretty funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hee.  That&#8217;s pretty funny.</p>
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