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		<title>By: Kreistor</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/22/revisiting-an-old-and-whacky-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-14001</link>
		<dc:creator>Kreistor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is based on a myopic view of science. Science is not just about creating theories about how the world works, but also creating things and methods to change (ideally for the better) the way people do things. Engineering, which creates bridges, electronics, vehicles, and any of the myriad things we use every day, is also an aspect of science.

For society, the function of science is the improvement of society. Science analyzes the natural world in order to determine how it works, so that we can develop new ways of doing old things, discover new things to do, and find ways of doing more with less cost.

Art is, at best, the representation of one person&#039;s perception of the world. Where science does its best to eliminate personal bias from its analysis of our universe, art embraces emotion and inspiration, which are neither guaranteed to accurately represent reality. Art is a representation of culture at the time of its creation, and a form of historical record of how we perceive the world. For society, the immediate purpose of a creation of art serves to demonstrate an alternate perception of reality, based on the perception of a third person, but in the long term, it serves as a record of how the world was once perceived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is based on a myopic view of science. Science is not just about creating theories about how the world works, but also creating things and methods to change (ideally for the better) the way people do things. Engineering, which creates bridges, electronics, vehicles, and any of the myriad things we use every day, is also an aspect of science.</p>
<p>For society, the function of science is the improvement of society. Science analyzes the natural world in order to determine how it works, so that we can develop new ways of doing old things, discover new things to do, and find ways of doing more with less cost.</p>
<p>Art is, at best, the representation of one person&#8217;s perception of the world. Where science does its best to eliminate personal bias from its analysis of our universe, art embraces emotion and inspiration, which are neither guaranteed to accurately represent reality. Art is a representation of culture at the time of its creation, and a form of historical record of how we perceive the world. For society, the immediate purpose of a creation of art serves to demonstrate an alternate perception of reality, based on the perception of a third person, but in the long term, it serves as a record of how the world was once perceived.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I DON&#039;T CARE!!!!   IT&#039;S, HOOKERS AND BLOW ALL THE WAY DOWN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I DON&#8217;T CARE!!!!   IT&#8217;S, HOOKERS AND BLOW ALL THE WAY DOWN!</p>
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		<title>By: schmwarf</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/22/revisiting-an-old-and-whacky-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-4335</link>
		<dc:creator>schmwarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG I missed your birthday!

Belated happy birthday Steve. You make the best birthday presents, you artist you.</description>
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<p>Belated happy birthday Steve. You make the best birthday presents, you artist you.</p>
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		<title>By: Chimaera</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/22/revisiting-an-old-and-whacky-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-4334</link>
		<dc:creator>Chimaera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tredekka:

How exactly is a movie a scientific enterprise?  It employs the use of tools and technology, but at the end of the day, a movie doesn&#039;t yield a theory or a mathematical model of anything.  As for using tools and technology, so does practically *every* form of art -- a paintbrush is a piece of technology, as are paints.  As for the commerce angle...  I&#039;m not sure where you&#039;re going there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tredekka:</p>
<p>How exactly is a movie a scientific enterprise?  It employs the use of tools and technology, but at the end of the day, a movie doesn&#8217;t yield a theory or a mathematical model of anything.  As for using tools and technology, so does practically *every* form of art &#8212; a paintbrush is a piece of technology, as are paints.  As for the commerce angle&#8230;  I&#8217;m not sure where you&#8217;re going there.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Caveny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Caveny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Sorry I missed it, I have been down with the flu, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY!  I hope that it was a good one and that there are many more.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Sorry I missed it, I have been down with the flu, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY!  I hope that it was a good one and that there are many more.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: tredekka</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/11/22/revisiting-an-old-and-whacky-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-4332</link>
		<dc:creator>tredekka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about movies, which are a blend of art, science and commerce, and which begin strictly as experienced performance only to leave artifacts (like DVDs) about a year later.  It&#039;s also the one industry that America truly dominates, and as such is viewed with great importance--to our cultural identity as well as to our economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about movies, which are a blend of art, science and commerce, and which begin strictly as experienced performance only to leave artifacts (like DVDs) about a year later.  It&#8217;s also the one industry that America truly dominates, and as such is viewed with great importance&#8211;to our cultural identity as well as to our economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chimaera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chimaera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way...  this?

&quot;Science is bones.

Art is flesh.&quot;

Yeah, that&#039;s an *annoyingly* beautiful expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way&#8230;  this?</p>
<p>&#8220;Science is bones.</p>
<p>Art is flesh.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s an *annoyingly* beautiful expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Chimaera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chimaera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Chimera @ 20: A very astute question. I mean in the sense of the role they play in society as a whole. I obviously don’t mean “in the mind of any given individual.”&quot;

Ah -- in that case, I think my initial response stands fairly well.  Viewed through the lens of (a particular) take on philosophy, I would argue that science represents our best efforts at solving the knowledge project, while the arts, in general, represent something more akin to the pursuit or appreciation of the wisdom project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Chimera @ 20: A very astute question. I mean in the sense of the role they play in society as a whole. I obviously don’t mean “in the mind of any given individual.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah &#8212; in that case, I think my initial response stands fairly well.  Viewed through the lens of (a particular) take on philosophy, I would argue that science represents our best efforts at solving the knowledge project, while the arts, in general, represent something more akin to the pursuit or appreciation of the wisdom project.</p>
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		<title>By: dvcastle</title>
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		<dc:creator>dvcastle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art and science can both be inspirational.  The person imputing practical value is the merchant.</description>
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		<title>By: Lewis Himelhoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Himelhoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really depends on which branch of science one is talking about and which art one is talking about. 

However, since all theories must be presented as formal papers and published in accepted scientific journals to be considered relevant, I&#039;d have to say that even the most abstract science still produces an artifact. If they didn&#039;t, then scientific theory would not have the means needed to build and modify theory based on previous work. 

Similarly, thanks to the ability we have these days to record motion and sound even performance art can result in some kind of permanent record. 

In the information age, virtually everything we do or say results in artifacts in the form of binary data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really depends on which branch of science one is talking about and which art one is talking about. </p>
<p>However, since all theories must be presented as formal papers and published in accepted scientific journals to be considered relevant, I&#8217;d have to say that even the most abstract science still produces an artifact. If they didn&#8217;t, then scientific theory would not have the means needed to build and modify theory based on previous work. </p>
<p>Similarly, thanks to the ability we have these days to record motion and sound even performance art can result in some kind of permanent record. </p>
<p>In the information age, virtually everything we do or say results in artifacts in the form of binary data.</p>
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