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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/08/18/golden-books/comment-page-2/#comment-2850</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>books that changed my life...books are my life, or lives, as it may be.  but the best of them, from when i was a child?  the hobbit (NOT lotr, which i didn&#039;t read until a couple of years ago), and Zelazny&#039;s Amber series...Corwin&#039;s half, since Merlin wasn&#039;t actually written by Zelazny, and it sucks.  Corwin was my first anti-hero, not terrifically noble, high-minded or dashing.  Just a man deciding on and then going for what he wants, and taking his breaks and saving the world when he doesn&#039;t get it.  Or trying to.  But time/space travel, superhuman abilities...these are things that never left me.  
What else?  The Jaguar Princess, and The Darkling Hills (which, if you haven&#039;t read it, you should!).  The Secret Garden is one I&#039;ll never get rid of, be I 25 (like now) or 90.

But the discussion can continue from there...books that changed my world more recently?  Robert Jordan&#039;s Wheel of Time Series, along with George RR Martin&#039;s Song of Ice and Fire have shown me how complicated and utterly differing fantasy can be.  Jordan wrote with such amazing subtlety, foresight and intricacy that he made everyone&#039;s hero (Tolkien) look like a child with a crayon (no nasty comments about that one unless you&#039;ve read the series...).  Of course, now he&#039;s dead, so we&#039;ll never know that ending.  And that&#039;s a life lesson too.  As for Martin, he is a man who is not afraid to kill his MAIN characters at whim, and has none of that &quot;multi-racial group of heroes who go on a quest and save the world&quot; crap.  While it can be well done, it is also OVERDONE!!!  Martin has all of Jordan&#039;s complexity, and much less of his long-windedness.  And he&#039;s not dead.  That&#039;s a plus.  

Also, Jacqueline Carey, whose Kushiel series shows us new meanings of love with every chapter, with a scope and beauty of writing that stun the mind.  Not to mention the Sundering Duology (same author).  Was Satan really the bad guy?  A must read for anyone who thinks they&#039;re Christian.  And anyone who doesn&#039;t.

And of course, Brust, who uses sarcasm to such stunning effect, and writes stories that are not only exciting, epic (in total, while being short enough to enjoy without having to be slogged through, taken one at a time), but just plain fun.  Besides, who else makes blatant Monty Python references so casually?  &quot;I got better!&quot; *giggles*  We love you, Steve!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>books that changed my life&#8230;books are my life, or lives, as it may be.  but the best of them, from when i was a child?  the hobbit (NOT lotr, which i didn&#8217;t read until a couple of years ago), and Zelazny&#8217;s Amber series&#8230;Corwin&#8217;s half, since Merlin wasn&#8217;t actually written by Zelazny, and it sucks.  Corwin was my first anti-hero, not terrifically noble, high-minded or dashing.  Just a man deciding on and then going for what he wants, and taking his breaks and saving the world when he doesn&#8217;t get it.  Or trying to.  But time/space travel, superhuman abilities&#8230;these are things that never left me.<br />
What else?  The Jaguar Princess, and The Darkling Hills (which, if you haven&#8217;t read it, you should!).  The Secret Garden is one I&#8217;ll never get rid of, be I 25 (like now) or 90.</p>
<p>But the discussion can continue from there&#8230;books that changed my world more recently?  Robert Jordan&#8217;s Wheel of Time Series, along with George RR Martin&#8217;s Song of Ice and Fire have shown me how complicated and utterly differing fantasy can be.  Jordan wrote with such amazing subtlety, foresight and intricacy that he made everyone&#8217;s hero (Tolkien) look like a child with a crayon (no nasty comments about that one unless you&#8217;ve read the series&#8230;).  Of course, now he&#8217;s dead, so we&#8217;ll never know that ending.  And that&#8217;s a life lesson too.  As for Martin, he is a man who is not afraid to kill his MAIN characters at whim, and has none of that &#8220;multi-racial group of heroes who go on a quest and save the world&#8221; crap.  While it can be well done, it is also OVERDONE!!!  Martin has all of Jordan&#8217;s complexity, and much less of his long-windedness.  And he&#8217;s not dead.  That&#8217;s a plus.  </p>
<p>Also, Jacqueline Carey, whose Kushiel series shows us new meanings of love with every chapter, with a scope and beauty of writing that stun the mind.  Not to mention the Sundering Duology (same author).  Was Satan really the bad guy?  A must read for anyone who thinks they&#8217;re Christian.  And anyone who doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And of course, Brust, who uses sarcasm to such stunning effect, and writes stories that are not only exciting, epic (in total, while being short enough to enjoy without having to be slogged through, taken one at a time), but just plain fun.  Besides, who else makes blatant Monty Python references so casually?  &#8220;I got better!&#8221; *giggles*  We love you, Steve!</p>
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		<title>By: Homo Sum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Golden Books 1: The Sun, The Moon, And The Stars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homo Sum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Golden Books 1: The Sun, The Moon, And The Stars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the blog Steven Brust shares with his roommates, the question was posed about the &#8220;golden books&#8220;&#8211;those ones that because you hit them at just the right time, and they were just the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dosadi Experiment
Frank Herbert
-When I learned that attention to nuance might be better than telepathy

The Stars my Destination
Alfred Bester
-What makes a man?

The moon is a harsh mistress
Robert Heinlin
-Like a warm bubble-bath full of loyalty, friendship, love and revolution.

The curse of chalion
Lois McMaster Bujold
-I&#039;ve always suspected, but here I began to really understand what it means to be a good man.

The man who never missed
Steve Perry
-Everyone in this crew should probably read it

Dragon
-Which should be on this list because it changed the shape of my mind.

There&#039;s one line in Sterling&#039;s Schismatrix plus that blows the top of my head off, it&#039;s a short bit about the protagonist interviewing a group of genetically engineered super-bright scientists who are seeking asylum. The conversation is totally normal and rational up to the point where the protagonist asks, &quot;And how long do you plan to stay?&quot;
To which his guest replies &quot;Not long, just long enough for God to finish eating our brains&quot;

Thank you all for your suggestions, I&#039;m off to Green Apple Books to meet some new authors ;- )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dosadi Experiment<br />
Frank Herbert<br />
-When I learned that attention to nuance might be better than telepathy</p>
<p>The Stars my Destination<br />
Alfred Bester<br />
-What makes a man?</p>
<p>The moon is a harsh mistress<br />
Robert Heinlin<br />
-Like a warm bubble-bath full of loyalty, friendship, love and revolution.</p>
<p>The curse of chalion<br />
Lois McMaster Bujold<br />
-I&#8217;ve always suspected, but here I began to really understand what it means to be a good man.</p>
<p>The man who never missed<br />
Steve Perry<br />
-Everyone in this crew should probably read it</p>
<p>Dragon<br />
-Which should be on this list because it changed the shape of my mind.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s one line in Sterling&#8217;s Schismatrix plus that blows the top of my head off, it&#8217;s a short bit about the protagonist interviewing a group of genetically engineered super-bright scientists who are seeking asylum. The conversation is totally normal and rational up to the point where the protagonist asks, &#8220;And how long do you plan to stay?&#8221;<br />
To which his guest replies &#8220;Not long, just long enough for God to finish eating our brains&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you all for your suggestions, I&#8217;m off to Green Apple Books to meet some new authors ;- )</p>
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		<title>By: Dru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention Tove Jansson&#039;s Moomin books. Those books are still rockin&#039; today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention Tove Jansson&#8217;s Moomin books. Those books are still rockin&#8217; today.</p>
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		<title>By: Gailmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gailmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duffy @ 92
I wonder, a bit, whether the fact you did not read Ulysses in any college course has had an impact on your ability to read that book for fun. :)

Miramon @87
ooh, now i really have to find those books, I bet my kiddos would love them. My 5 yr old is particularly into anything that isn&#039;t &quot;what it should be&quot; right now, so water bullets would probably send her into hysterics!  ...wonder if they have them at our library......</description>
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I wonder, a bit, whether the fact you did not read Ulysses in any college course has had an impact on your ability to read that book for fun. :)</p>
<p>Miramon @87<br />
ooh, now i really have to find those books, I bet my kiddos would love them. My 5 yr old is particularly into anything that isn&#8217;t &#8220;what it should be&#8221; right now, so water bullets would probably send her into hysterics!  &#8230;wonder if they have them at our library&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Duffy Pratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duffy Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Limiting myself to books that I&#039;ve read over and over:

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which I read continuously for a couple of years when I was about 8.

Lord of the Rings -- I still reread this.

Moby Dick -- especially the chapters about whales in scrimshaw, and such...

Ulysses -- I think I may be the only person alive who reads this book for fun, and did not read it in any college course.

End Zone, by Don DeLillo -- a football novel about what it means to be a saint in America.  It totally bowls me over every time.

All of Jane Austin -- I think I might feel about her writing, small as it is, the way skzb feels about Dumas.

and, Philosophical Investigations, by Ludwig Wittgenstein, which probably changed my mind about more things, and more times, than all of the others combined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Limiting myself to books that I&#8217;ve read over and over:</p>
<p>Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which I read continuously for a couple of years when I was about 8.</p>
<p>Lord of the Rings &#8212; I still reread this.</p>
<p>Moby Dick &#8212; especially the chapters about whales in scrimshaw, and such&#8230;</p>
<p>Ulysses &#8212; I think I may be the only person alive who reads this book for fun, and did not read it in any college course.</p>
<p>End Zone, by Don DeLillo &#8212; a football novel about what it means to be a saint in America.  It totally bowls me over every time.</p>
<p>All of Jane Austin &#8212; I think I might feel about her writing, small as it is, the way skzb feels about Dumas.</p>
<p>and, Philosophical Investigations, by Ludwig Wittgenstein, which probably changed my mind about more things, and more times, than all of the others combined.</p>
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		<title>By: Miramon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miramon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dru@89:

Really? That&#039;s hilarious. I love Vance&#039;s work, but even so it&#039;s hugely funny to think about all these serious little characters from Urth, most of whom spend all their time worrying about various weighty, tragic, and transcendent matters, being inspired by Vance&#039;s wry humor to become librarians.

Doorways in the Sand was definitely a great book. I can see how Lafferty could well be golden for many people, but much as I liked his work, he never quite did it for me, just a little too far out in style, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dru@89:</p>
<p>Really? That&#8217;s hilarious. I love Vance&#8217;s work, but even so it&#8217;s hugely funny to think about all these serious little characters from Urth, most of whom spend all their time worrying about various weighty, tragic, and transcendent matters, being inspired by Vance&#8217;s wry humor to become librarians.</p>
<p>Doorways in the Sand was definitely a great book. I can see how Lafferty could well be golden for many people, but much as I liked his work, he never quite did it for me, just a little too far out in style, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add that the meal descriptions in Dzur are some of the best writing I have ever had the pleasure to read. It never fails to make me hungry. Was Valabar&#039;s inspired by a real restaurant??????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add that the meal descriptions in Dzur are some of the best writing I have ever had the pleasure to read. It never fails to make me hungry. Was Valabar&#8217;s inspired by a real restaurant??????</p>
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		<title>By: Dru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Book of Gold in the Urth novels was, according to Wolfe himself, actually a copy of the Dying Earth by Jack Vance. For myself, it would have been the Eyes of The Overworld.

The other ones that really made a difference in my head were Not To Mention Camels by Lafferty, Doorways in the Sand (of all things) by Zelazny, the Urth books themselves by Wolfe, Earthsea, and Doris Piserchia&#039;s Doomtime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Book of Gold in the Urth novels was, according to Wolfe himself, actually a copy of the Dying Earth by Jack Vance. For myself, it would have been the Eyes of The Overworld.</p>
<p>The other ones that really made a difference in my head were Not To Mention Camels by Lafferty, Doorways in the Sand (of all things) by Zelazny, the Urth books themselves by Wolfe, Earthsea, and Doris Piserchia&#8217;s Doomtime.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between Planets by Heinlein: Not because of its intrinsic merit but because it turnmed me from an eighth grader who didn&#039;t read and didn&#039;t think novels were a good thing to a constant reader. Several of his juveniles and adult books were better but this one turned the switch.

Animal Happiness by Vicki Hearne Ideas I had never entertained before that have never left me. 

Pheonix Guard by whatsisname: Without this book I would never have gotten around to reading Vlad, having bounced off the first book I picked up. So it unlocked the door to two great authors, whatsisname and Paarfi. 

American Fried by Calvin Trilllin It&#039;s too bad he never got to write about Valabar&#039;s

Shut Up and Deal by Jesse May you had to be there.  I guess Steve has

The Butterfly Kid by Chester Anderson

The Dark Border by Paul Edwin Zimmer

Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson. If one of my favorite SF authors had never written fantasy I might never have read tLoTR or many others I have enjoyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between Planets by Heinlein: Not because of its intrinsic merit but because it turnmed me from an eighth grader who didn&#8217;t read and didn&#8217;t think novels were a good thing to a constant reader. Several of his juveniles and adult books were better but this one turned the switch.</p>
<p>Animal Happiness by Vicki Hearne Ideas I had never entertained before that have never left me. </p>
<p>Pheonix Guard by whatsisname: Without this book I would never have gotten around to reading Vlad, having bounced off the first book I picked up. So it unlocked the door to two great authors, whatsisname and Paarfi. </p>
<p>American Fried by Calvin Trilllin It&#8217;s too bad he never got to write about Valabar&#8217;s</p>
<p>Shut Up and Deal by Jesse May you had to be there.  I guess Steve has</p>
<p>The Butterfly Kid by Chester Anderson</p>
<p>The Dark Border by Paul Edwin Zimmer</p>
<p>Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson. If one of my favorite SF authors had never written fantasy I might never have read tLoTR or many others I have enjoyed.</p>
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