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		<title>By: rodeo clown</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/05/09/personality-perception-and-political-prognosis/comment-page-1/#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator>rodeo clown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the perception, obviously, is the reality here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the perception, obviously, is the reality here.</p>
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		<title>By: schmwarf</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/05/09/personality-perception-and-political-prognosis/comment-page-1/#comment-1433</link>
		<dc:creator>schmwarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what bigmike@12 has said. To me Bush is a product of Big Oil and Big Church and driven by his convictions and interpretations of how God, Liberty and Freedom should be imposed on those countries who don&#039;t have the political strength (but the oil) to stand up to America. All I can say is God help Nigeria.

I don&#039;t think Charles I was indecisive . I think he was driven by the &quot;kings are little gods&quot; belief and took exception of the fact he had to go cap in hand in parliament to fund his international religious wars. 

His summary judgements of successive parliament dibandments by way or Royal decrees in conjuntion which not being in touch with true political reality (as opposed to &quot;disconnection from&quot; his &quot;subjects&quot; as you can argue that was the case for all monarchs of his time) lead to his downfall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what bigmike@12 has said. To me Bush is a product of Big Oil and Big Church and driven by his convictions and interpretations of how God, Liberty and Freedom should be imposed on those countries who don&#8217;t have the political strength (but the oil) to stand up to America. All I can say is God help Nigeria.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Charles I was indecisive . I think he was driven by the &#8220;kings are little gods&#8221; belief and took exception of the fact he had to go cap in hand in parliament to fund his international religious wars. </p>
<p>His summary judgements of successive parliament dibandments by way or Royal decrees in conjuntion which not being in touch with true political reality (as opposed to &#8220;disconnection from&#8221; his &#8220;subjects&#8221; as you can argue that was the case for all monarchs of his time) lead to his downfall.</p>
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		<title>By: bigmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one trait that Bush, alas, lacks is indecisiveness.  Unfortunately, he makes his decisions without apparently giving the matter any thought.  (&quot;I don&#039;t debate with myself.&quot;)  He hasn&#039;t surrounded himself with mediocraties either.  If only Cheney were mediocre, he could not have done such great damage.  He seems to have surrounded himself with evil people rather.  Including Condi Rice.  Especially Condi Rice who could have been so much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one trait that Bush, alas, lacks is indecisiveness.  Unfortunately, he makes his decisions without apparently giving the matter any thought.  (&#8221;I don&#8217;t debate with myself.&#8221;)  He hasn&#8217;t surrounded himself with mediocraties either.  If only Cheney were mediocre, he could not have done such great damage.  He seems to have surrounded himself with evil people rather.  Including Condi Rice.  Especially Condi Rice who could have been so much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 14:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t Mediocrates the one who advised Socrates to just have a little of the hemlock, so his hosts wouldn&#039;t be offended?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t Mediocrates the one who advised Socrates to just have a little of the hemlock, so his hosts wouldn&#8217;t be offended?</p>
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		<title>By: kluelos</title>
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		<dc:creator>kluelos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but Mediocrates is my favorite Greek Philosopher to use when I need to quote one. He will probably become yours too, after one or two uses.

Just invent a half-pithy saying, and attribute it to him. And he&#039;s even a little less verbose than Sir Paarfi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but Mediocrates is my favorite Greek Philosopher to use when I need to quote one. He will probably become yours too, after one or two uses.</p>
<p>Just invent a half-pithy saying, and attribute it to him. And he&#8217;s even a little less verbose than Sir Paarfi.</p>
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		<title>By: Nezahualcoyotl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nezahualcoyotl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 02:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kit: Yes, I usually work out of lab near Teotihuacan. It is about 25 miles NE of Mexico City. The Late Postclassic (1300-1519) sites there are Aztec, and the area became a tributary of Tenochtitlan within the Aztec empire. 

I mainly work with Aztec and earlier materials going back to around 500 B.C. Teotihuacan itself was a city of about 100,000 people c. 300 A.D.; by the time the Aztecs showed up, it had been so long abandoned that they thought gods had once lived there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kit: Yes, I usually work out of lab near Teotihuacan. It is about 25 miles NE of Mexico City. The Late Postclassic (1300-1519) sites there are Aztec, and the area became a tributary of Tenochtitlan within the Aztec empire. </p>
<p>I mainly work with Aztec and earlier materials going back to around 500 B.C. Teotihuacan itself was a city of about 100,000 people c. 300 A.D.; by the time the Aztecs showed up, it had been so long abandoned that they thought gods had once lived there.</p>
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		<title>By: kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nezahualcoyotl: Thanks for the fascinating comment. Out of curiousity have you studied the Aztec peoples as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nezahualcoyotl: Thanks for the fascinating comment. Out of curiousity have you studied the Aztec peoples as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Mog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those thinges strike me as familiar but to me they remind of my own Prime minister, Ehud Olmert. Though his wife is by no way similar to those women and I can probably find some other difrences in his character as well(nothing that makes me think more highly of him). 

Wasn&#039;t that sentence said by Marie Antoinette&#039;s sister?
One of the israeli ministers said this year(and she was totally serious about it):&quot;If there is no sugar, make jam&quot;.  

That was very interesting Nezahualcoyotl. Now to find a high class that fell in a different way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those thinges strike me as familiar but to me they remind of my own Prime minister, Ehud Olmert. Though his wife is by no way similar to those women and I can probably find some other difrences in his character as well(nothing that makes me think more highly of him). </p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t that sentence said by Marie Antoinette&#8217;s sister?<br />
One of the israeli ministers said this year(and she was totally serious about it):&#8221;If there is no sugar, make jam&#8221;.  </p>
<p>That was very interesting Nezahualcoyotl. Now to find a high class that fell in a different way.</p>
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		<title>By: Nezahualcoyotl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nezahualcoyotl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 20:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The circumstances of the collapse of the Classic Period Maya raises the likelihood that there was a terrible disconnect between the elite decision-makers and the realities of a declining subsistence economy. 

Much as in pre-revolution France, elite position was sustained by costly prestige-oriented display and staffs of retainers. When the crop yields which sustained this status competition occasionally declined, the priority of Maya nobles probably was ensuring the supply of goods which allowed them to be competitive within their world. More land would be put under cultivation. Sometimes this land should have been left fallow, and over the centuries the food supply shrank -- which caused the nobility to push more land prematurely into cultivation -- creating a feedback cycle which contributed to the collapse between 800-925 A.D.

Of course, this is only an explanatory model based on the interpretation of archaeological evidence. I offer it here to illustrate how decision-making contexts and self-interest can have a fairly broad effect. While the Classic Maya are known as a &quot;civilization&quot;, they were mainly 40+ independent city-states in which power was too decentralized for any single personality to dominate events on more than a local level.

Admittedly, as an archaeologist I tend to be biased against explanations based in personality since my research subjects are fairly dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The circumstances of the collapse of the Classic Period Maya raises the likelihood that there was a terrible disconnect between the elite decision-makers and the realities of a declining subsistence economy. </p>
<p>Much as in pre-revolution France, elite position was sustained by costly prestige-oriented display and staffs of retainers. When the crop yields which sustained this status competition occasionally declined, the priority of Maya nobles probably was ensuring the supply of goods which allowed them to be competitive within their world. More land would be put under cultivation. Sometimes this land should have been left fallow, and over the centuries the food supply shrank &#8212; which caused the nobility to push more land prematurely into cultivation &#8212; creating a feedback cycle which contributed to the collapse between 800-925 A.D.</p>
<p>Of course, this is only an explanatory model based on the interpretation of archaeological evidence. I offer it here to illustrate how decision-making contexts and self-interest can have a fairly broad effect. While the Classic Maya are known as a &#8220;civilization&#8221;, they were mainly 40+ independent city-states in which power was too decentralized for any single personality to dominate events on more than a local level.</p>
<p>Admittedly, as an archaeologist I tend to be biased against explanations based in personality since my research subjects are fairly dead.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 20:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing that occurred to me while reading the post was a remarkable book by Abdurakhman Avtorkhanov, &quot;The Communist Party Apparatus&quot; (1966).  Avtorkhanov makes some prescient comments about the nature of the bureacracy of the Party in Moscow, how it had become significantly nepotistic, the apolitical and non-ideological character of so many of the recruits who were more interested in the perquisites of power than furthering the revolution (or even governing), and, well, how  the Party was doomed. Sounded an awful lot like Trostky&#039;s description -- dunno if Avtorkhanov read Trotsky  or not.

Thing is, it seems that the decription fits more rulers than not. It only becomes a problem when there is a (perceived) need for government intervention as a positive force in the lives of the mass of the population. Sure, many of them have grand plans that they believe will &quot;benefit&quot; the people, ranging anywhere from cultural reform (Peter the Great, Mao, most post-1989 French governments) or great measures of defense (The Great Wall, the Interstate Highway system) to wars of aggression (too many to even pick a few exemplary cases). At best, such efforts make it more possible for families to provide for themselves and live in security, but more often than not they have at best a net-neutral effect. But there are more than a few of the indolent who simply enjoy their positions and have no great drive -- though we tend to only remember folks like Nero, Nicholas II and Hoover.

Not a few statesmen of revolutionary generations seem to be aware of this tendency. Hence statements like Jefferson&#039;s, that the tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of tyants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing that occurred to me while reading the post was a remarkable book by Abdurakhman Avtorkhanov, &#8220;The Communist Party Apparatus&#8221; (1966).  Avtorkhanov makes some prescient comments about the nature of the bureacracy of the Party in Moscow, how it had become significantly nepotistic, the apolitical and non-ideological character of so many of the recruits who were more interested in the perquisites of power than furthering the revolution (or even governing), and, well, how  the Party was doomed. Sounded an awful lot like Trostky&#8217;s description &#8212; dunno if Avtorkhanov read Trotsky  or not.</p>
<p>Thing is, it seems that the decription fits more rulers than not. It only becomes a problem when there is a (perceived) need for government intervention as a positive force in the lives of the mass of the population. Sure, many of them have grand plans that they believe will &#8220;benefit&#8221; the people, ranging anywhere from cultural reform (Peter the Great, Mao, most post-1989 French governments) or great measures of defense (The Great Wall, the Interstate Highway system) to wars of aggression (too many to even pick a few exemplary cases). At best, such efforts make it more possible for families to provide for themselves and live in security, but more often than not they have at best a net-neutral effect. But there are more than a few of the indolent who simply enjoy their positions and have no great drive &#8212; though we tend to only remember folks like Nero, Nicholas II and Hoover.</p>
<p>Not a few statesmen of revolutionary generations seem to be aware of this tendency. Hence statements like Jefferson&#8217;s, that the tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of tyants.</p>
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