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		<title>By: Mez</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/03/30/um/comment-page-1/#comment-1155</link>
		<dc:creator>Mez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was in George Orwell&#039;s 1941 essay &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.george-orwell.org/The_Lion_and_the_Unicorn:_Socialism_And_The_English_Genius/0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Lion And The Unicorn&lt;/a&gt;, subtitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/lionunicorn.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Socialism and the English Genius&lt;/a&gt;, that he wrote of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page137.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/Page703.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ley&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=P1319&amp;tabType=HISTORY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bald&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/search/Object.asp?object_key=10678&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;win&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;em&gt;&quot;one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. He was simply a hole in the air&quot;&lt;/em&gt;.  Near its end he summarises important parts of the national character thus: &lt;em&gt;&quot;The gentleness, the hypocrisy, the thoughtlessness, the reverence for law and the hatred of uniforms will remain, along with the suet puddings and the misty skies.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was in George Orwell&#8217;s 1941 essay <a href="http://www.george-orwell.org/The_Lion_and_the_Unicorn:_Socialism_And_The_English_Genius/0.html" rel="nofollow">The Lion And The Unicorn</a>, subtitled <a href="http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/essay/lionunicorn.html" rel="nofollow">Socialism and the English Genius</a>, that he wrote of <a href="http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page137.asp" rel="nofollow">Stan</a><a href="http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/Page703.asp" rel="nofollow">ley</a> <a href="http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=P1319&amp;tabType=HISTORY" rel="nofollow">Bald</a><a href="http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/search/Object.asp?object_key=10678" rel="nofollow">win</a>  <em>&#8220;one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. He was simply a hole in the air&#8221;</em>.  Near its end he summarises important parts of the national character thus: <em>&#8220;The gentleness, the hypocrisy, the thoughtlessness, the reverence for law and the hatred of uniforms will remain, along with the suet puddings and the misty skies.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>By: Caliann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caliann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porn is porn is porn......

Women have a tendency to read it, men have a tendency to watch it.  This is not a blanket statement, simply a tendency.  It is why the romance section of bookstores have titles like &quot;Hearts of Fire&quot; and titles at adult video stores are along the lines of &quot;Anal Cum-hole Schoolgirls&quot;.

They are, however, basically the same thing.  It is also not surprising that it should creep into other genres.  After a few decades, both the kidnapped Celtic virgin and the Pizza Delivery boy shtick gets old and people want to imagine sex in different situation....like in a space station or with a were leopard.

With books, at least, one does not have to worry about building a realistic background for SF or Fantasy sex.  

It is still porn.  The difference is one can feel a bit more intellectual perusing the bookstore for a copy of &quot;A Stroke of Midnight&quot; than searching a 24 hour video store for &quot;Night Shift Nurses&quot;.

No one will ever believe you like Hentai for the plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porn is porn is porn&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Women have a tendency to read it, men have a tendency to watch it.  This is not a blanket statement, simply a tendency.  It is why the romance section of bookstores have titles like &#8220;Hearts of Fire&#8221; and titles at adult video stores are along the lines of &#8220;Anal Cum-hole Schoolgirls&#8221;.</p>
<p>They are, however, basically the same thing.  It is also not surprising that it should creep into other genres.  After a few decades, both the kidnapped Celtic virgin and the Pizza Delivery boy shtick gets old and people want to imagine sex in different situation&#8230;.like in a space station or with a were leopard.</p>
<p>With books, at least, one does not have to worry about building a realistic background for SF or Fantasy sex.  </p>
<p>It is still porn.  The difference is one can feel a bit more intellectual perusing the bookstore for a copy of &#8220;A Stroke of Midnight&#8221; than searching a 24 hour video store for &#8220;Night Shift Nurses&#8221;.</p>
<p>No one will ever believe you like Hentai for the plot.</p>
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		<title>By: amysue</title>
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		<dc:creator>amysue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 01:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was definitely referring to the books that appear in the romance section of bookstores.  I have no problem with porn and no problem with the paranormal and actually no problem with combining them-but having perused a few of these they seem to be very thin on plot and the sex isn&#039;t compelling enough to hold my interest.  What confused me is that I have to assume, judging from the amount of shelf space involved that there is a sizable market for it and I had no idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was definitely referring to the books that appear in the romance section of bookstores.  I have no problem with porn and no problem with the paranormal and actually no problem with combining them-but having perused a few of these they seem to be very thin on plot and the sex isn&#8217;t compelling enough to hold my interest.  What confused me is that I have to assume, judging from the amount of shelf space involved that there is a sizable market for it and I had no idea!</p>
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		<title>By: schmwarf</title>
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		<dc:creator>schmwarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben: oh.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>schmwarf, etiolated is pretty rare outside of scientific writing on botany. Inasmuch however isn&#039;t that uncommon, a quick search on books.google.com shows that it is used in five of Steven Brust&#039;s books for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>schmwarf, etiolated is pretty rare outside of scientific writing on botany. Inasmuch however isn&#8217;t that uncommon, a quick search on books.google.com shows that it is used in five of Steven Brust&#8217;s books for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>42.</description>
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		<title>By: kit</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/03/30/um/comment-page-1/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Genre romance is getting bigger all the time, and yes these are genuine romance novels + SF, fantasy or horror/&quot;paranormal&quot; themes.

While I know it is fashionable to sneer at some genres, I personally try not to participate. Some genres may interest me more than others, some genres may even be more &#039;formula&#039; than others (much mystery for instance) but my feeling is that as long as the book entertains its target audience and leaves them satisfied, I&#039;m not willing to sneer at the field as a whole.

That said, I do think a lot of romance perpetuates some myths about relationships I wish would die a rapid death, but I think the books are mirrors of a broken society...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genre romance is getting bigger all the time, and yes these are genuine romance novels + SF, fantasy or horror/&#8221;paranormal&#8221; themes.</p>
<p>While I know it is fashionable to sneer at some genres, I personally try not to participate. Some genres may interest me more than others, some genres may even be more &#8216;formula&#8217; than others (much mystery for instance) but my feeling is that as long as the book entertains its target audience and leaves them satisfied, I&#8217;m not willing to sneer at the field as a whole.</p>
<p>That said, I do think a lot of romance perpetuates some myths about relationships I wish would die a rapid death, but I think the books are mirrors of a broken society&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Miramon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miramon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, I thought amysue was referring to a kind of book that actually is placed in the &quot;Romance&quot; section of the bookshop, not romantic fantasy in the F&amp;SF section. Not that it matters that much, but I think there is a certain genre pecking order. SF and Mystery agree to disagree which is more respectable, but both sneer at Romance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, I thought amysue was referring to a kind of book that actually is placed in the &#8220;Romance&#8221; section of the bookshop, not romantic fantasy in the F&amp;SF section. Not that it matters that much, but I think there is a certain genre pecking order. SF and Mystery agree to disagree which is more respectable, but both sneer at Romance.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/03/30/um/comment-page-1/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>schmwarf@15: hahaha, they need to shorten the blog from Words Words Words, to Word. :)

amysue@16: these are commonly called &quot;alternate history&quot; series now, the unifying theme being something along the lines of &quot;hey, remember back in &#039;73 when the vampires came out to the world, and it took 3 years before they were allowed to vote?&quot;... the idea being that the time is now, the place is here, but the recent past includes the supernatural being revealed as real, but without the world ending.

You could put Anne Rice in the group, but I think she fits closer to traditional horror. Alternate History got its current wheels from Laurell K. Hamilton, and the main names (IMO) are Hamilton, Kim Harrison, and Charlaine Harris (that is, the names that have graduated up to hardcover).

My personal favorite is Patricia Briggs, the &quot;Mercy Thompson&quot; books are the best written of the bunch, and they&#039;re not stuffed to the covers with erotica, which is refreshing after reading the exploits of Anita Blake for too long.

The field has filled way up in a hurry, you can&#039;t walk through the scifi section now without knocking over a stack of erotic werewolf novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>schmwarf@15: hahaha, they need to shorten the blog from Words Words Words, to Word. :)</p>
<p>amysue@16: these are commonly called &#8220;alternate history&#8221; series now, the unifying theme being something along the lines of &#8220;hey, remember back in &#8216;73 when the vampires came out to the world, and it took 3 years before they were allowed to vote?&#8221;&#8230; the idea being that the time is now, the place is here, but the recent past includes the supernatural being revealed as real, but without the world ending.</p>
<p>You could put Anne Rice in the group, but I think she fits closer to traditional horror. Alternate History got its current wheels from Laurell K. Hamilton, and the main names (IMO) are Hamilton, Kim Harrison, and Charlaine Harris (that is, the names that have graduated up to hardcover).</p>
<p>My personal favorite is Patricia Briggs, the &#8220;Mercy Thompson&#8221; books are the best written of the bunch, and they&#8217;re not stuffed to the covers with erotica, which is refreshing after reading the exploits of Anita Blake for too long.</p>
<p>The field has filled way up in a hurry, you can&#8217;t walk through the scifi section now without knocking over a stack of erotic werewolf novels.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Himelhoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Himelhoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you mean Anne Rice or Charlaine Harris or something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you mean Anne Rice or Charlaine Harris or something else?</p>
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