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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/01/19/a-fundamental-human-right/comment-page-2/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of things are harmful, might be harmful, might be expected to be harmful, . . .

The issue is who gets to decide whether the benefit outweighs the harm: the individual concerned or some third party.  The former case is freedom, the latter is tyranny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of things are harmful, might be harmful, might be expected to be harmful, . . .</p>
<p>The issue is who gets to decide whether the benefit outweighs the harm: the individual concerned or some third party.  The former case is freedom, the latter is tyranny.</p>
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		<title>By: kit</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/01/19/a-fundamental-human-right/comment-page-2/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;cannabis could be expected to harm the airways more than tobacco as its smoke&lt;/i&gt;

Pretty vague and noncommittal language. 

&lt;i&gt;In the near future we may see an &#039;epidemic&#039; of lung cancers connected with this new carcinogen&lt;/i&gt;

New carcinogen? People have been getting high since the turn of the century. Where&#039;s our epidemic?

Contrast with this study for example: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Cannabis-exerts-protective-effect-against-cancer-5286-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cannabis exerts protective effect against cancer&lt;/a&gt;

The issue of cannabis is an extremely polarized one, and as a self-described statistics fan I am sure you are aware of the effect politics have on scientific studies.

Further I don&#039;t know what this would possibly have to do with self-medicating -- aren&#039;t there medications prescribed by doctors which increase ones risk of cancer or death through other means?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>cannabis could be expected to harm the airways more than tobacco as its smoke</i></p>
<p>Pretty vague and noncommittal language. </p>
<p><i>In the near future we may see an &#8216;epidemic&#8217; of lung cancers connected with this new carcinogen</i></p>
<p>New carcinogen? People have been getting high since the turn of the century. Where&#8217;s our epidemic?</p>
<p>Contrast with this study for example: <a href="http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Cannabis-exerts-protective-effect-against-cancer-5286-1/">Cannabis exerts protective effect against cancer</a></p>
<p>The issue of cannabis is an extremely polarized one, and as a self-described statistics fan I am sure you are aware of the effect politics have on scientific studies.</p>
<p>Further I don&#8217;t know what this would possibly have to do with self-medicating &#8212; aren&#8217;t there medications prescribed by doctors which increase ones risk of cancer or death through other means?</p>
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		<title>By: Ker_Thwap</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/01/19/a-fundamental-human-right/comment-page-2/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>Ker_Thwap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s one danger of self medicating.  Luckily, I ... never inhaled.  We&#039;ll go with that.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/hl_nm/cancer_cannabis_dc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s one danger of self medicating.  Luckily, I &#8230; never inhaled.  We&#8217;ll go with that.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/hl_nm/cancer_cannabis_dc">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/hl_nm/cancer_cannabis_dc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/01/19/a-fundamental-human-right/comment-page-2/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael #92, I think that patients should be able to decide for themselves what drugs to use.  Sensible people will consult with experts (doctors) in order to determine what&#039;s best.  Stupid people will harm themselves.  There are no laws that can prevent the latter, at most they can affect the methods used.

There can&#039;t be a &quot;right to be free from pain&quot; because in some cases that isn&#039;t even possible.  Rather, a right that &quot;people refrain from preventing X from doing what he can to ameliorate his pain, and people refrain from preventing Y from helping X do so&quot; should exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael #92, I think that patients should be able to decide for themselves what drugs to use.  Sensible people will consult with experts (doctors) in order to determine what&#8217;s best.  Stupid people will harm themselves.  There are no laws that can prevent the latter, at most they can affect the methods used.</p>
<p>There can&#8217;t be a &#8220;right to be free from pain&#8221; because in some cases that isn&#8217;t even possible.  Rather, a right that &#8220;people refrain from preventing X from doing what he can to ameliorate his pain, and people refrain from preventing Y from helping X do so&#8221; should exist.</p>
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		<title>By: kit</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/01/19/a-fundamental-human-right/comment-page-2/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Additionally, I was neither arguing we should be utterly free from the sensation of pain nor trying to set out a legal standard for a &quot;right&quot; which would hold up in court. A bill of rights for a society is crafted using extensive research, hours of debate and many drafts, very different from the average blog post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additionally, I was neither arguing we should be utterly free from the sensation of pain nor trying to set out a legal standard for a &#8220;right&#8221; which would hold up in court. A bill of rights for a society is crafted using extensive research, hours of debate and many drafts, very different from the average blog post.</p>
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		<title>By: skzb</title>
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		<dc:creator>skzb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right to be free from pain means that if a given society has the technology to relieve pain that technology ought not to be withheld from any member of that society.  This is specifically not addressing purely medical concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right to be free from pain means that if a given society has the technology to relieve pain that technology ought not to be withheld from any member of that society.  This is specifically not addressing purely medical concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Grosberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Grosberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have missed some post and this has been discussed already, but - what does a right to be free from pain even mean? Rights are legal terms. How can laws stop nerves from firing in your body? You can have, perhaps, a right to pain relievers.  This would mean being able to buy *any* pain relief drug over the counter, no prescription needed. 

However, as we all know, drugs tend to have side effects, and I&#039;m sure Lyrica has some, too - the NYT article mentioned some of them. 
Is taking the decision of prescribing drugs out of the hands of doctors and into the hands of patients a good idea? I certainly don&#039;t think so.  I mean, If lyrica&#039;s in the list, why not morpine? Vicodin? why should Dr. Gregory house, who is in constant pain, not be able to purchase all the Vicodin he can?

Pain is an awful thing, but if the side effects cause harm to the patient - and doctors may be more aware of their severity than patients - you can&#039;t blame doctors that would rather see their patients live with constant pain than suffer from those side effects.

In short, until we get a drug that has  little or no side effects and is not addictive, the whole idea of a fundamental right to be free from pain is crock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have missed some post and this has been discussed already, but &#8211; what does a right to be free from pain even mean? Rights are legal terms. How can laws stop nerves from firing in your body? You can have, perhaps, a right to pain relievers.  This would mean being able to buy *any* pain relief drug over the counter, no prescription needed. </p>
<p>However, as we all know, drugs tend to have side effects, and I&#8217;m sure Lyrica has some, too &#8211; the NYT article mentioned some of them.<br />
Is taking the decision of prescribing drugs out of the hands of doctors and into the hands of patients a good idea? I certainly don&#8217;t think so.  I mean, If lyrica&#8217;s in the list, why not morpine? Vicodin? why should Dr. Gregory house, who is in constant pain, not be able to purchase all the Vicodin he can?</p>
<p>Pain is an awful thing, but if the side effects cause harm to the patient &#8211; and doctors may be more aware of their severity than patients &#8211; you can&#8217;t blame doctors that would rather see their patients live with constant pain than suffer from those side effects.</p>
<p>In short, until we get a drug that has  little or no side effects and is not addictive, the whole idea of a fundamental right to be free from pain is crock.</p>
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		<title>By: kit</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/01/19/a-fundamental-human-right/comment-page-2/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ker_thwap: I appreciate you citing  a source here. It&#039;s true, studies on this topic (and all drug related topics) are often very loaded because of the political agendas on all sides. 

And of course, then we have to define addiction -- probably a debate for another time. 

&lt;i&gt;that sixteen percent of their patients were using illicit (street) drugs and other studies showed as high as thirty-four percent.&lt;/i&gt;

Which I would suspect is likely because one of the more effective natural painkillers is illegal to use in this country, even for medical reasons. It took us 90 or so comments for us to reach the drug war debate; on reflection I&#039;m surprised it took so many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ker_thwap: I appreciate you citing  a source here. It&#8217;s true, studies on this topic (and all drug related topics) are often very loaded because of the political agendas on all sides. </p>
<p>And of course, then we have to define addiction &#8212; probably a debate for another time. </p>
<p><i>that sixteen percent of their patients were using illicit (street) drugs and other studies showed as high as thirty-four percent.</i></p>
<p>Which I would suspect is likely because one of the more effective natural painkillers is illegal to use in this country, even for medical reasons. It took us 90 or so comments for us to reach the drug war debate; on reflection I&#8217;m surprised it took so many.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://dreamcafe.com/words/2008/01/19/a-fundamental-human-right/comment-page-2/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shanlea @ 87, if a doctor is incompetent (or just acts that way), I consider that a form of fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shanlea @ 87, if a doctor is incompetent (or just acts that way), I consider that a form of fraud.</p>
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